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And that brings me to the issues with the economy, the game's economy is soulcrushing, now I do understand that you need people to spend money (and for what it's worth I have), but there is little to no enjoyment for the average player in the game. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44-100. The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. Just an observation maybe its just me. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. I don't feel I need assume such things as this is already quite relevant to my interests. While the M18 can reverse much quicker, it also lurches about far more. You can do just as well with a vehicle that has different strengths if you use those strengths correctly. For anyone who has ever played War Thunder and certainly for those who have perused the forums, the line Germany suffers! is probably something youve heard before. In real life, German cats had a more advanced system/concept known as regenerative steering, this is vastly more energy efficient and especially useful for these heavy late wartanks, and other tanks after the war. . What's clear is how later German vehicles are designed to deal with tanks at long range, making use of frontal armor, penetreation and RoF. Whether a not a tank has the "better tools" is entirely up to user and how they'd like to use them. The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. By I can go grab the pictures if you'd like as proof. There's also the issue of the T__ having 6 crew all very well spaced apart, so if by some miracle I get lucky enough to do damage the T__ will just reverse away at high speed and repair. He was 60 years old. Done. NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? Both the american 76mm and the russian 85mm will penetrate that front plate if not correctly angled. Canon CAS is quite strong if left unchecked. You have to constantly be aware of this. And I've never lost my barrel to 50s ever in all the time I've played German tanks. The only situation where the Panther would in a clear advantage is a plain map where the M18 has no chance for covered approach. Not possible. If you don't. so german jets are not useless compared to their opponents? A Do335 can do a lot of damage when left alone, but stands utterly no chance of outflying a P-47. Well you know what they say, the turtle always wins. the Jumboturret. For Centurion Mk.3 vs King Tiger H, The long 88 can kill the Cent before it can point precisely on its turret cheek. The Tiger IIs' cannons do not bounce like M18s on trampolines, no matter how much people pretend that they do. That's your personal preference. The Challenger 2 is the third vehicle of this name, the first being the A30 Challenger, a World War II design using the Cromwell tank chassis with a 17-pounder gun. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. Those three qualities are what control the tank's ability. - East Germany suffers! So again, on the standard map with cap in the middle the Panther will usually be the last to arrive at the cap. Most matches against germany is like this, constant spam of Me 262's, arados, Do 335's, He 219's. So many BS planes capable of taking out 5-10 tanks before running out of ammo (but you know, US CAS is soo OP) Worst thing about it, allies can't do shit back. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. Hell no, you can still get kills if you have a decent team and play smart. To believe that mobility is the only thing matters is to ignore almost everything that matters in a match. Objectives are death traps usually placed in a way that does favour German CATs, but you know that quite well. I "like" how you start out this topic with some kind of meme-theme, that there's nothing to it more than it being perceived as "suffering!" The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. The only way the Germans can use their strengths to dominate such maps is with good teamplay. Oh definitely trade-offs are to be expected. The T34 where as it has more penetration it has a longer reload and solid shot which recently seems to have suffered a reduced damage output off it round. And Germany has long 88s also at 5.7. It's not a perfect strategy as it weakens the cheeks, but I've had a lot of smart american players turn their turret at the last second for an easy bounce. While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. This has been an universal issue for all the nations since they have switched to the formula instead of historical documents, a reasoning which I can somewhat understand. And no matter what is the br setting whatever times you get a new vehicle even at 8.7 you have to start the whole thing again. While light vehicles can rush about in cities, they're balanced in the cities by the same hard cover they benefit from. It's very weak side armor also means that it's close to pointless to angle it, compared to the Tiger I. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. As said above, aircraft carriers don't exist in arcade. He usually has like 5 different options. He can cap first and when wait till in an ambush till you start to decap. I agree though that the lines should be redone, but not only for Germany but for all the nations. And its mo different than tiger 2 players shaking their turret to get a bounce. Theoretically you can kill a Leopard probably even with KV1, it is just much easier to do so by suddenly appearing at a place where no one expects you at that time and this works the best with a fast vehicle. I'll give you a half point for this one as I clearly said the M18 will head to your spawn after it caps, Well if it makes you feel better stranger things have happened. This can be minimized if you slow down first (knowing there is an enemy out there). And I've never had issues with the breach on a T series unless I've hit the outside of it or its well past 500 meters which is were the 88 will struggle you can still go through the hull of it but need to be more cautious as a whole. APDS is guaranteed damage, just aim for specific crew one at a time or shoot for modules. (This topic will likely be flooded by people doing exactly this or otherwise trying to hijack the thread.). Maus at 7.0? If your going to pull the hvars are the best thing out their it shows how little you know. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. Eh, you can get the same effect with having a slow vehicle suddenly appear where no one expects it at a particular time, it also brings a more shock and awe effect as its victims try to fathem what they are looking at and how it gotthere, thegood times to be had Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. Also since ground ai. - Panther armour is easier to use and still ok. No need to angle, just point the front towards the enemy. (Petrol tanks under turret basket magicallyexplode when turret penned). The reverse speeds of all of these tanks mean you must step forward progressively, rather than figuring on advancing and reversing on a whim with them as you would with others. Thats because the Germans don't have more modern light tanks in the game. This line comes up in many venues and references many things--but what does it mean? However there comes the real germany suffers thing. #15. Meanwhile the M18 will be sitting in the ambush or going around the cap into your back because he know that you will not dare to cap. And we can't skip over the SPAAs either when discussing counters against CAS. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. They die as soon as literally any heavy pulls up and just the purpose of giving the enemy free RP and SL. Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans. I am a guy who plays all nation with Germany being my single most played nation. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. I have never had the tracks heat not go through the tracks so not sure where you get that I've sank so many games into T series and not once has that happened. Also, you're making it sound like the T__ has bad hull armor, which it absolutely doesn't. -ifa potential target learns the maps thisscenario can be avoided, - If the slow tank manages to guess the attack strategy of the faster tank he can setup and counter-ambush, - if there is position that overlooks the entire cap point and if you can reach it fast enough (so should be on your half of the map), - if you take your time to get to the cap point and the M18 doesn't use this time to simply cap. Interesting thing about predicting the predictable itshighly accurate. That's where the Panther gets stuck due to bad low speed mobility. Come on, seriously? Isn't it also true that many of the people who play the soviet tree only play the soviet tree? As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. Don't know maybe deserve a new play again. Thread seems to highlight points some might see as a way to improve gameplay. It's obvious which has the better hull where as its obvious who has the better turret. On the contrary, the mixture of traits that German vehicles get is often favorable. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. As the matter relates to teams' statuses and ticket bleed, the capture point's alignment once captured is ended from the moment it is captured until the moment that hold on it is broken or the game ends. Germany has a P-47 that lacks bombs and rockets, which means it is not burdened by those as distractions or dead weight in the case of opposing fighters. What will you bring? But to the long 88 you can kill them rather easily. Germany suffers (and others too), balance, br, tanks, jets, etc. I've been playing the Su-100P lately (pretty underrated, but could still use a lower BR to match the regular Su-100) and it baffles me how many pumas I am seeing from 5.7-7.7. Once he has spotted you, you are basically dead. The T-72 is mediocre in forward mobility, and has a painful -4kph reverse. No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--the believers dont want to hear dissent--just know about that. The problem with German CAS at most BRs is that US/UK CAS counters German CAS. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. There are major gaps in all the TTs that need to be addressed. In an one on one battle with one cap point andrough, uneven terrain you will lose against the M18 in your panther 8 out of 10 times. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. And I've had 90mm HEAT non-pen on the tracks of a T34. That ammo should not be stock! What do you expect? You can go through things but often times you die. Turret armor>>>hull armor for a number of reasons. I never said the hull was bad on the t series i have stated that as long as you don't hit the tracks you pen and the other thread we are in has showed that. Most of the time they use their speed to cap the mid point rather than setting up a scouting position. And if he turns it to the side literally shoot the huge side of the turret that will be exposed. Other nations have a lot of fast backups with good guns, like the M18, T114, M50, ASU 85, Falcon etc. FRENCH AVIATION TREE IS A JOKE! Of course the thick armor and good gun can be an advantage. Well technically everyone suffers but you would have clicked on this otherwise. Isn't it also truethat many of the people who play the american tree only play the US tree? Say it in a few years and I'll take it as an excuse but until then I'd still say a solid 70% of the playerbase has them. Asparagus can be eaten raw as well as cooked, it is used as a remedy for urinary . War Thunder trading. If you shoot the side of the turret its about 175mm thick but if you shoot the hull its about 77mm thick. When it comes to the points I made about the armor, I have had my AMX-13 bounce off the side turret numerous times, it really is that thick. But there almost no such maps in the game. The blinding effect happens but its not as bad as your saying it is. Top tier meta is good survivability, mobility, and gun handling, as armor doesn't matter with laser rangefinders and high velocity APFSDS along with lots of CQB maps making weakspots easily hit. I've said that I'm looking at things that are perceived as suffering but aren't in the interest of finding and isolating the true examples for sake of fixing these things. True, I had the T-44 in mind when I made that post though. More like genre savvy actuallyI know the score. (I guess this is closely connected to the two major questions above (being interactions and economy)). FW 190's can go for air targets and ordnance is sufficient to bomb a tank and strafe lights. You don't exactly want to pull a pivot turn when in city combat, with it's horrible side armor. Are king tigers unplayable? Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. Armor is lolpened by DM33 and higher. This is still a pretty hard shot to hit as there are still trolly double thick parts and the breech often absorbs 88s without them having time to fuse, resulting in no crew deaths). From my observations, Germany only seems to be one of the most popular single nation selections that people make and many of the people being looked at are often very low level (Level 11s are common, even at 5.X). pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. Not being able to be constructive in any way seems key to yourself. Just shoot turret for an easy penetration anywhere within 2km, and watch as the king tigers ammo gives a nice firework display. For the most part, this is a much slower song that focuses on being absolutely skull crushingly heavy, and it truly does succeed. And that is harder than the relatively obvious strategies for Soviet and American vehicles, especially when the allies can grab the objectives AND the flanks and wait until they win by ticket bleed. Are there plans to finally separate ww2 (and pre-ww2) vehicles from post ww2 (like vehicles made during the cold war and after) in battles? at one point or another, with the severity of this problem varying widely. India. But he still requires to go through your turret so mixing it up and not sitting is what's the best option to proceed at those ranges. Doesn't fit good mobility meta. One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that, No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--, Nuclear Sciences, Robotics, All Things Engineering, History, Click here to jump to that post. Also Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. I think that is what contributes in combination with what you mentioned for the low WR of Germans at the 5.7-6.7 BR range. 5. Pointing it down doesn't do anything as I've found. Allied CAS i superior. It requires however quite some skill to shoot targets in RB from a far and you still lose if noone caps. Two world wars and two pandemics are just a few of the many historic events witnessed by Sister Andre during her 118 years. but in a game where you play the same maps over and over again and know all the ways hideouts. Are there plans to move overpowered vehicles (like Xp-50 or Su-11) to a more reasonable br rating? You have the turret, lfp, and anywhere on the hull as long as you don't hit the tracks. But be aware of your week side armour. These same players will often say that German vehicles lesser mobility means the Germans simply cannot compete with the more nimble Allied vehicles--ignoring Germanys other merits. Yes, with an M18 I am also eaily killed from the front due to lack of armor. Other options like FW's with 1000kg bomb drops are just too bad in a fighter role, as well as the Me 262 Pulkzerstrer. A T34 hull down has 200-300mm of frontal protection, 150mm-200mm of side protection, and 200mm of rear protection. Other nations have a lot of fast backups with good guns, like the []ASU 85. You can penetrate e.g. Is a panther really a good vehicle for flanking? 2. Terrible survivability (carousel and 3 crew). Long 88 can one shot a T__ but in my experience you have to go for the shot trap, which is a risky shot. An uptier will barely affect the performance of an M18. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. And that goes for anyone regardless of nation. And i find that the 88 one shots the T series rather easily now through the turret. The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. If an M18 is careening down a street and a Panther materializes at the end of it and takes a shotit's not going to be a good day for the M18. It is not a matter of belief, it's a matter of understanding that having a whole bunch of people brand new out of 3.0 in 5.X is a problem. Last time I played my king tiger I shot the T34s barrel as that was the only spot I knew I could reliably disarm him, then he just took out my barrel with .50s and I got killed by one of his teammates. There are things the T series better and the game tends to play to those advantages mord than to the tiger 2s but the differences between the two aren't much trust me on that one. If he sees that you do dare to cap he will just rush back because he has the speed. Getting ahead is stupidly hard. Depends on the BR really. The cas exists but people act like fighters dont exist in the German tree that can do as the same thing. 2. Well suited for precision bombing, its 2 guaranteed kills. The F-4F Phantom II is a rank VII German jet fighter with a battle rating of 11.0 (AB/RB/SB). Thank you for your attention and have a nice day! The Soviet nation has very little at 6.X--almost as few vehicles as the Americans do at 4.X. In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? 0 capable AA's, meanwhile germany is literally spoilt with choice. Nobody likes uptiers and Germans are no exception--but theyre not suffering any more than anyone else. It requires however quite some skill to shoot targets in RB from a far and you still lose if noone caps. Most German fighters can either take a 500kg bomb or a 250kg bomb. For special purposes I still have my Ju-288 with its two SC1600 bombs. Real German problem here---> East Germany, "Where's our tank? At 6.7 the US T series are much more survivable when it comes to being hit. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. Ok, so you don't agree that it is easier to flank with small and fast vehicles? But like I've said, this is not an issue affecting only Germany. The armor is nowhere never Tiger II H level. According to the complaint, proof of German suffering is had in German win rates--which are often lower than their Allied peers WRs. I don't think the hull of the king tiger is worse, it's obviously better, I'm just saying it's not better by a huge margin. Scriptures from many world religions, science facts, safety & reminder tips, cuisine, sports, books, art, music, movies, TV. lol Germany (especially around the BR you're playing at) has literally some of the most insanely OP lineups in the game - packed with tanks / SPAA / CAS spam vehicles with mostly low spawn costs. In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? He will retreat and find a way around you. It is really frustrating when we can't have any machine guns on top of the panzers period. If we only knew the do black people have bigger penis rate at which the penis size men earth how to make your dick bigger review porn hentai penis growth is cooling we might calculate back to this time with some assurance of certainty, always, however, on the assumption average penis size when not erect that the earth is simply a hot body cooling like any other hot body such, say, as a red . I want to see where you are shooting and with what cause even when i play the AMX M4 which has 215mm of pen btw I've never bounced off the side of a T series tank. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Selling Top German/UK Tank and Plane & US Top plane with many Premium. encyclopedia. And T topically blow up now if you go through the turret. Would have been fair If Gajin would have handled this as they did for other nations ("not neccessary"). Many German players will often hang back and camp (which can be good, if done in moderation--Germany gets above average exchange rates this way) but critically, problems arise when these players never do move up. That's your personal preference. 6. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. With so few vehicles in their selections at 4.X and 6.X, the Americans and Russians face much worse situations with uptiers. It's strengths clearly outweighs it's burdens when the game is based around city/village structures. A COMMENTARY ON THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS - Bonar. (Saint Nicholas Bible, CIVIC Worship The Good Book, & Queen Elizabeth II Bible are the same book with 3 different This is a major drawback and makes this tank so special. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44. Armor profile is meh also and they are abit slower than the tiger 2s surprisingly. The second was the Persian Gulf War era Challenger 1, which was the British army's main battle tank (MBT) from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. Turret is 200mm at it's weakest and will bounce if the enemy angles or is at long range. Welcome to r/Warthunder. Thats because the Germans don't have more modern light tanks in the game. The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. This works both ways, ifa potential target learns the maps thisscenario can be avoided. Still a lot more intuitive. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions. A dreaded sight for aircraft and ground vehicles alike, the F-4F Phantom II provides a strong air superiority fighter and supremely potent ground attacker to German pilots. The allegation is that because the Germans Tigers and Panthers cannot keep pace with the Americans M18s, the Russians T-34-85s and other like vehicles that the Germans simply cannot compete with these vehicles or the teams that use them. Panthers has not too much problems in their brs. While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. Which isn't as many as the P-47 you still get access to the same 1,000 pounder and 500 pounder it gets just not at once. Tracks cover most of the hull so thats a no-go unless you're literally 10m away. But to argue the tiger 2 has a worse hull than the T series is a joke. 1. ronica blake. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. history projects. However, due to WT map design, with most maps being rather small and generally favouring brawling, this advantage is often countered by the allies more versatile vehicles. 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